Datsun 411 Wagon Re-Wire
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:00 pm
AZhitman posted looking for someone to re-wire his cool 411 wagon, so we worked it out and the car is in my garage getting the work done!
I had taken a "break" from the car stuff for the last year and a half after a career change (Quit the hot-rod shop - hopped over into healthcare I.T.)
As for the reason of the career change - I realized I was getting too old to be working huge hours for little pay, no time off, zero benefits - and unfortunately was a victim of my own success in that I was handling 75% or more of the workload building the cars at the previous employer. Passion can only account for so much as the invincibility of youth(ish) fades. The opportunity arose at my current employer and I couldn't say no. Higher pay, actual PTO, sick time, zero stress, and great benefits.
AZhitman's need came at just the right time as I was starting to do work on my days off (tues-thurs) to satisfy the "fix old stuff" bug.
So without further jibber-jabber - here is the first update into this project. This isn't an advertisement - hopefully this thread will give some insight and and answer some questions about the process of doing a re-wire of a classic car. I am one of the few people with a specific disorder in that I enjoy automotive electrical.
So here is the victi...er I mean Wagon. I gave it a quick bath before work began.
After studying the wiring diagrams for a few minutes, I start at the very front and will work my way back for removal of the stock harness. Also I will keep a list of anything that I need to order supply wise if I don't already have it. The foam pad (this one is from matco) is a lifesaver!
Most of the connectors / terminals / etc are pretty standard fare as evidenced by the headlight connectors. The new ones came with the wiring kit - but I will de-pin these as I prefer to have the least amount of splices / connections as possible and will crimp on the appropriate terminal when I run the new harness.
The old battery cables and terminals will be replaced with nicer, new ones. Battery terminals are often overlooked as maintenance items. Also you can see where the insulation has been pulling away from the actual terminal. This is a side effect of age (Insulation shrinks) and use. I will use a different style and method that is more resistant to these effects, I will post how I do these and the tools needed in a future post.
I removed the marker light assemblies because the lenses were stuck, and I will be cleaning / replacing the wiring. I have the correct "pin head" terminals for this style marker light. When I get to re-wiring these I will make sure I get a picture of them as they are neat and most people don't realize they are available. Also, friends don't let friends have electrical tape covered anything so I will remove and clean all the tape and residue.
Here is another thing to look out for. The grey gaskets used on these marker lights/lenses over time basically turned into glue. The lenses were not interested in coming off so it took the careful application of heat and wiggling to get them off without damaging them. I have seen countless people try to pry them off around the edges or jam a screwdriver in the screw hole - which 99% of the time ends up on a broken lens.
With the front grill removed - we can access the electric cooling fans. These fans were also loose and had about 1/4 inch of play on/off the radiator. I will address that as it not only an cause annoying noise - but the rubbing / banging into the radiator can damage it. I will use a weather-pak style connector on this part of the wiring as it is weather proof and these fans are a high-amp draw. Electric cooling fans draw the most power at start up (as much as 20 -30 amps) before settling down once the reach operating RPM (these probably draw 5-8 amps once running.) I will use a new relay & holder for this circuit.
Here is the relay and fuse for the fans that we will be replacing. There is probably nothing wrong with these - but given the cost of a new one it doesn't make sense to reuse it when everything else will be new.
Here are our horns, located under the core support. These have also wiggled their way loose so I will address that. Also, those insulated crimp connectors will definitely find the trash bin. There will be none of those things in this car's electrical system anymore.
Behind the battery we have several relay. These are for the various lights, horn, etc. These will be replaced by modern relays, however not in the stock locations as they would look out of place. The long one is for the headlights, short one is for the horn.
This appears to be some sort of solenoid - complete with a manual test button on top.
Once those have been removed and disconnected we can continue on with removing any other connections under the hood to facilitate removing the engine bay harness.
Here is our old fuse panel. Bye!
The ignition coil and ballast resistor (which will be tested, and replaced if needed.) We also see more of those pesky insulated crimp connectors that I won't be using.
Here is our brake pressure switch for the tail lights. This will be tested, and replaced if needed.
Here is the old fuse panel, and the new. The new one will be installed under the dash, inside the cabin of the car. This will keep the panel away from the elements. Also, in a turn of luck there is already a hole in the upper corner of the firewall under the dash. I can pop out the plastic/rubber plug install a new one and route my new harness through there. Less extra holes drilled the better. The new panel already has the turn signal flasher and a relay installed.
There is a nifty little underhood light chillin' over on the driver's side. I will see if it works - and if not, pretty sure we can get it working.
Now that the old fuse panel is out of the way, we can see up in the corner there is the rubber grommet/seal were the harness makes it's way inside.
I will remove the little under-dash tray to gain access to the harness inside.
In the upper corner under the dash we can see where that harness is coming through. Obviously it won't fit through the firewall with all the plugs. Time to do some depinning.
For this task we will use my depinning toolkit. This set I bought from Cornwell several years ago - and it is really nice. However, there are plenty smaller/cheaper sets out there. If it is something you are using just once - a cheapy set will do the job. If you think you will use it more than once - spend a little extra and get a nicer set. There is a difference, trust me.
The male side of these connectors you can use a teeny flathead to depin as I am doing here. If you look up it's skirt you can see the little nubbin' you have to push down.
The female side you can actually see what needs to be done through the connector. Here I am using a depin tool and you can see how it works.
A little while later, we have depinned all the connectors. They are still in reasonable shape - so if I decide to reuse them I will throw them in the ultrasonic cleaner.
I had taken a "break" from the car stuff for the last year and a half after a career change (Quit the hot-rod shop - hopped over into healthcare I.T.)
As for the reason of the career change - I realized I was getting too old to be working huge hours for little pay, no time off, zero benefits - and unfortunately was a victim of my own success in that I was handling 75% or more of the workload building the cars at the previous employer. Passion can only account for so much as the invincibility of youth(ish) fades. The opportunity arose at my current employer and I couldn't say no. Higher pay, actual PTO, sick time, zero stress, and great benefits.
AZhitman's need came at just the right time as I was starting to do work on my days off (tues-thurs) to satisfy the "fix old stuff" bug.
So without further jibber-jabber - here is the first update into this project. This isn't an advertisement - hopefully this thread will give some insight and and answer some questions about the process of doing a re-wire of a classic car. I am one of the few people with a specific disorder in that I enjoy automotive electrical.
So here is the victi...er I mean Wagon. I gave it a quick bath before work began.
After studying the wiring diagrams for a few minutes, I start at the very front and will work my way back for removal of the stock harness. Also I will keep a list of anything that I need to order supply wise if I don't already have it. The foam pad (this one is from matco) is a lifesaver!
Most of the connectors / terminals / etc are pretty standard fare as evidenced by the headlight connectors. The new ones came with the wiring kit - but I will de-pin these as I prefer to have the least amount of splices / connections as possible and will crimp on the appropriate terminal when I run the new harness.
The old battery cables and terminals will be replaced with nicer, new ones. Battery terminals are often overlooked as maintenance items. Also you can see where the insulation has been pulling away from the actual terminal. This is a side effect of age (Insulation shrinks) and use. I will use a different style and method that is more resistant to these effects, I will post how I do these and the tools needed in a future post.
I removed the marker light assemblies because the lenses were stuck, and I will be cleaning / replacing the wiring. I have the correct "pin head" terminals for this style marker light. When I get to re-wiring these I will make sure I get a picture of them as they are neat and most people don't realize they are available. Also, friends don't let friends have electrical tape covered anything so I will remove and clean all the tape and residue.
Here is another thing to look out for. The grey gaskets used on these marker lights/lenses over time basically turned into glue. The lenses were not interested in coming off so it took the careful application of heat and wiggling to get them off without damaging them. I have seen countless people try to pry them off around the edges or jam a screwdriver in the screw hole - which 99% of the time ends up on a broken lens.
With the front grill removed - we can access the electric cooling fans. These fans were also loose and had about 1/4 inch of play on/off the radiator. I will address that as it not only an cause annoying noise - but the rubbing / banging into the radiator can damage it. I will use a weather-pak style connector on this part of the wiring as it is weather proof and these fans are a high-amp draw. Electric cooling fans draw the most power at start up (as much as 20 -30 amps) before settling down once the reach operating RPM (these probably draw 5-8 amps once running.) I will use a new relay & holder for this circuit.
Here is the relay and fuse for the fans that we will be replacing. There is probably nothing wrong with these - but given the cost of a new one it doesn't make sense to reuse it when everything else will be new.
Here are our horns, located under the core support. These have also wiggled their way loose so I will address that. Also, those insulated crimp connectors will definitely find the trash bin. There will be none of those things in this car's electrical system anymore.
Behind the battery we have several relay. These are for the various lights, horn, etc. These will be replaced by modern relays, however not in the stock locations as they would look out of place. The long one is for the headlights, short one is for the horn.
This appears to be some sort of solenoid - complete with a manual test button on top.
Once those have been removed and disconnected we can continue on with removing any other connections under the hood to facilitate removing the engine bay harness.
Here is our old fuse panel. Bye!
The ignition coil and ballast resistor (which will be tested, and replaced if needed.) We also see more of those pesky insulated crimp connectors that I won't be using.
Here is our brake pressure switch for the tail lights. This will be tested, and replaced if needed.
Here is the old fuse panel, and the new. The new one will be installed under the dash, inside the cabin of the car. This will keep the panel away from the elements. Also, in a turn of luck there is already a hole in the upper corner of the firewall under the dash. I can pop out the plastic/rubber plug install a new one and route my new harness through there. Less extra holes drilled the better. The new panel already has the turn signal flasher and a relay installed.
There is a nifty little underhood light chillin' over on the driver's side. I will see if it works - and if not, pretty sure we can get it working.
Now that the old fuse panel is out of the way, we can see up in the corner there is the rubber grommet/seal were the harness makes it's way inside.
I will remove the little under-dash tray to gain access to the harness inside.
In the upper corner under the dash we can see where that harness is coming through. Obviously it won't fit through the firewall with all the plugs. Time to do some depinning.
For this task we will use my depinning toolkit. This set I bought from Cornwell several years ago - and it is really nice. However, there are plenty smaller/cheaper sets out there. If it is something you are using just once - a cheapy set will do the job. If you think you will use it more than once - spend a little extra and get a nicer set. There is a difference, trust me.
The male side of these connectors you can use a teeny flathead to depin as I am doing here. If you look up it's skirt you can see the little nubbin' you have to push down.
The female side you can actually see what needs to be done through the connector. Here I am using a depin tool and you can see how it works.
A little while later, we have depinned all the connectors. They are still in reasonable shape - so if I decide to reuse them I will throw them in the ultrasonic cleaner.